In the latest episode of Pointblank, Tony Gachoka had the opportunity of hosting prolific economist David Ndii. During the interview, the two conversed on a number of issues, including Uhuru-Ruto woes, post ICC politics, corruption and governance, the civil societies, integrity chapter and the 2022 succession politics.
The conversation was one of its kinds as revelations about the jubilee infighting were commented on in an elaborate and interesting manner. This is an excerpt of the interview:
David Ndii: It is not the monster of corruption, it is leadership failure. What you are seeing is a blowback of what is ungovernable; it is a state whose leadership has been going down.
Tony Gachoka: There were problems when the international criminal court came into the country because many think that jubilee government came into power as a result of ICC compromise, do you think the compromise was hard to make?
David Ndii: One of the mistake we made is we did not have an election after the 2010 constitution, if we would have held an election, those who were championing for progressive agenda would have taken over, but the misfortune is we placed the new constitution in a cold storage and allowed old forces to regroup behind ICC and so the first thing that we did in 2013 was to throw away chapter six of the constitution out of the window, once you throw the integrity chapter you set the bar for public leaders who instead of jumping over the bar they go under it.
Tony Gachoka: Some people say that through the coalition government and towards the new Government in 2013, it changed the voice of the civil society since many voices of reason were either absorbed as politicians and others by government commissions; such that it affected civil action in as far as fighting corruption is concerned.
David Ndii: I don’t think that is the reason. Kenyans got mobilized along ethnicity and injustice and the trampling on the constitution, this took the wind out civil societies control. When the ICC came we were